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Men in Relationships

This is the first in a series of articles which looks at the challenges for men in relationships.

This will be the first in a series of articles in which I hope to describe men's particular challenges to being in a committed relationship. My concern is that it's a very broad subject and my editors tell me I should be limiting myself to 500 words or less. But because I am also concerned about the state of the male psyche and the image women have of men and men have of themselves in relationships, I want to offer some of my views. I acknowledge there are exceptions to everything I will be suggesting here.

Men were raised by women and most men want to make their wives happy just like they wanted to make their mothers happy. For this reason they look to their wives for cues on how they are doing. If their wife is happy, they think they're okay. If their wife is unhappy, they feel like they need to fix something in themselves, the situation, or their wife.

There was a piece of research a while back which showed it's more important for the success of a marriage for the wife to be happy than for the husband to be happy. There are a lot of ways you could interpret this finding. The way I interpret it is that women are typically more attuned to relational nuance, and they act as the proverbial canary in the relationship coal mine. So if the wife is happy, it's a good indicator that the marriage is more solid. The man is often happy simply if his wife is happy.

Now there is nothing wrong with a man being attuned to his wife. The problem with this is that it leaves all the relational burden on the woman. It's too much responsibility for her and it lets the man off the hook for developing his own sense of what's right, what's wrong, what's working, what's not. We can ask the question a few different ways -- "Why should only the woman be allowed to determine the direction of the relationship?" or "Why should the wife have to be the relationship custodian?"

What a man needs to learn from women and from the feminist movement is that we are not isolated islands. We are interdependent in deep and profound ways we are only beginning to understand. But learning these valuable lessons from women shouldn't mean trying to act like a woman. I cringe from the kind of emasculation I sometimes see with men afraid to offend, wanting to fit in with the new version of how a man is supposed to be.

A male acting like a man is nothing more and nothing less than having the courage to be true to himself. This is the hero's journey so often depicted in mythology, fairy tales, and on the big screen. Rather than slaying dragons, aliens, or enemies, the real challenge for most men in today's society is to understand the truth of his essential nature, and then to vanquish whatever fears would prevent him from acting in accordance with that. I know of no better partner for him on this quest than his spouse.  And from my work with many women in my practice, they need their men to engage in this journey as much as the man needs to do it for himself.

Do you have a question about your marriage or relationship? Ask Josh in the comments below or email him at josh@joshgressel.com.

Josh Gressel, Ph.D., is a couples therapist based in Pleasant Hill, CA. Visit his website at joshgressel.com.

X July 18, 2012 at 06:53 pm
"Men were raised by women." Thankfully with the rise in stay at home dads that's changing.
bryan July 18, 2012 at 07:04 pm
Good god, did Oprah and Doc Phil just take over controlling interest of the Patch?
CJ July 18, 2012 at 09:48 pm
This thread is nauseating.
upptick July 19, 2012 at 02:28 am
And let's not forget the new paradigm of young women willing to have sex without any emotional commitment, e.g. Sex in the City -- promiscuity now has equal opportunity partners. In fact, you can make a major case that liberal politics have essentially been about minimizing the consequences of sex or at least having others share the burden of your sexual decisions. Things like welfare payments to single mothers, free medical care, etc., are all about not making people live with their sexual decisions.
Lafayette Curmudgeon July 19, 2012 at 11:34 am
These sorts of "men need to be more involved in the relationship" articles inevitably tell men that men need to be more attuned to nuance. Alright, fine, the nuance then.
I have yet to see a relationship article say that women need to learn to ask their husbands to do specific, unambiguous and discrete things that women themselves believe will improve the situation: "I want you to do X. If you do X, I will be at least marginally more happy." Guess what? If they do that, 99 times out of 100 husbands will do X without complaint.
Josh Gressel, Ph.D. July 19, 2012 at 11:45 am
Hi Lafayette:
I couldn't agree with your point more, and if you'll be patient, I'm getting there. One of the most difficult interventions I institute with wives, is giving them the following instruction: "The next five sentences out of your mouth all have to begin with the words 'I want....'" They will often try to cheat, and say things like "I want you to want to...." "No," I intervene. "You need to say what you want, without worrying about if your partner is going to like it or not." The problem you're pointing to is the flip side of the problem men have: it is extremely difficult for many women to disconnect from relationship enough to ascertain what it is they want for themselves, and instead they give mushy, vague hints and hope their husbands will guess what they want so they don't have to say it out loud. There are a ton of reasons for this. It drives men crazy, just like men drive women crazy. Bottom line, you are absolutely right that there are two sides to this struggle. Before I can start to describe what I see the woman's role to be, I thought I need to take on the man's part.
Linda Meza July 19, 2012 at 11:58 am
Josh, looks like you've got your work cut out for you. Self-examination can be a threatening, frightening, experience as witnessed by the archetypal representations sprinkled throughout the comment thread. Your mention of interdependence is timely in light of Steven Covey's passing; it's a concept I look forward to your fleshing out in subsequent posts.
Chris Kapsalis July 19, 2012 at 12:06 pm
I think it all comes down to being considerate to each other.
Kenny July 19, 2012 at 01:34 pm
Kum by yah.
That works when you take the emotion out of the conversation. But what fun is that?
Jim Caroompas (Editor) July 19, 2012 at 02:32 pm
I'm going to step in here as the moderator of this thread and lay out the following guideline: consider this a playground. If you're here to play, have something that will move the conversation forward, add an insight, make a point that isn't intended to stab someone to death, great. Welcome. If you're here to throw rocks for the sake of throwing rocks, that will not be allowed. If you find this subject stupid, go somewhere else where you don't find the conversation stupid. Don't feel the need to denigrate everyone else's experience and opinions because you feel superior to theirs. Add to the discussion, or take your rocks to another playground.
Dan Perez July 19, 2012 at 02:45 pm
This is a subject that will be analyzed for all eternity. It's good to focus attention on men-women relationships-- anything to help make a stronger, more secure society. What makes it complicated is that there is no single formula for success. What works for some will not work for others. I know happily married people, and I know happily unmarried couples. I know couples who spend a lot of time together who are happy, and some who rarely see each other who are happy. I know of a couple who recently celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary, but have been sleeping in different rooms in the house for the past 35 years due to one being a loud snorer. But I think the one, single common thread of successful relationships is being constantly mindful that you are living your life with a partner, and that that person has similar needs as you. Feeling sad one day? Well, your wife may be feeling sad, too-- go find out. Had a bad day at work? Well, your wife may have had one too and is keeping it inside. The other key to success is to pause often, and find the deeper meaning of what your wife says sometimes. And realize some things just aren't worth arguing over.
"The Black Panther of Poetry" July 19, 2012 at 04:03 pm
Hear, Hear!!! I am glad someone is doing their job on Patch by putting these bullies in check. There are a few people on patch that are cyber bullies and they like to stir up unnecessary fights. Why, you may asked? I think it's because they are little men in every sense of the word and what do little men do? Read Mein Kauf, the author of that was 5 feet five inches. And this is no swipe at the "real short men". I am short in statue but certain people on this blog (and everyone including you, know who you are) is short ih humanity, manhood, religion, brotherhood, and I would summize other personal areas!!!
Chris Kapsalis July 19, 2012 at 04:05 pm
Yesterday we both agreed something was not worth arguing over, and dropped it. Now it is history, nothing, as before that might have turned into an argument a couple days long, stress and made it worse. This makes tons of sense. Picking your battles. The coffee filter is not one battle. lol. It is amazing how a little thing can blow up into your entire marital history and dig up tons of old things making it one huge fight. Or you can, as you say Dan, realize some things are not worth arguing over. Great tip .
Bubba July 19, 2012 at 04:21 pm
2nd That
Tom July 19, 2012 at 06:53 pm
I think one large way to help relationships is to look at way you can please your spouse. It might be encouraging a new idea/career/hobby. If you live a married life with the idea of what can I give to this relationship life should be happier. Of course life is a two way street but the obligation first is to put your own self though the smell test.
I always wonder when I see a married person treat their friends better than their spouse. Why would anyone do that?
Kerri Kimbrough July 19, 2012 at 06:55 pm
wow this is soooo interesting, so when is the part 2 coming? soon I hope ! Thanks to the dr. who wrote it!!
upptick July 19, 2012 at 08:02 pm
Alright, the Patch Nanny wants us to play nice. So here's the skinny. Stable societies require monogamous unions in order provide an emotionally and economically stable environment for the rearing of children. The nuclear family -- married parents raising their offspring -- has been the basic building block of Western Civilization for literally thousands of years. This model has been under attack since essentially WW2 when women entered the workforce in large numbers. It used to be that one income -- principally the man's -- was sufficient to support the household. With the introduction of women into the workforce, it wasn't long before the basic economic unit shifted from the "family" to the "individual." Wages and prices adjusted to this phenomenon and now both men and women have to work in order to support themselves. Children are being raised by paid strangers in large part because of this economic shift, and schools are expected to take up the slack. It's obvious that the model is not working well. Add to this economic shift the cultural shift which permits men to get sex without commitment and pretty soon you have a highly permissive, non-committal culture where the men get what they want, the women believe they're getting what they want, and the instability caused by non-domesticated men (who commit virtually all the crime) is steadily increasing. So, bottom line, why should a man stay in a committed relationship when he doesn't have to?
X July 19, 2012 at 08:41 pm
Two incomes became necessary when Americans became so materialistic and selfish. When GIs returned from WW II the average home was 980 sq. ft. Today's average home is 2400 sq. ft. Most families had one phone, one car, and one TV. Contrast that with today's family. Two incomes are required because Americans have redefined middle class.
The nuclear family - as you describe it - hasn't existed, despite your claims to the contrary, for thousands of years. Try again. I would agree that there are many advantages to parents staying home to raise their children. I would encourage more dads to work part-time or opt for being a stay at home dad. Men are quite capable of raising children.
Tom July 20, 2012 at 03:18 pm
My wife is a stay at home mom and I think this has ben a huge positive factor for my kids.
My schedule is flexable enough for me to make all of my kids importat events and even coach their teams. I dont see the value of being a stay at home dad but for those that go that path I say well played. I still think this is the exception and alpha males wont do well in this situation anytime soon.
Becky Kapsalis July 21, 2012 at 08:40 pm
Better how Tom? I can only think of my own relationship with my husband. The example is, on the car ride downtown, he will be cranky or I will be cranky and complain about this that or the other and once we get to a friends house or business it's smiles all around. It used to be something we would fight over but now,we don't take it personal because with eachother we don't have to be polite and can be ourselves be it ugly or pretty. I find that kind of nice actually, that we don't have to put on airs infront of eachother. Now, if it is a matter of him holding the door for somebody else and letting it smack me in the face well.......that's a flyin loaf of bread!
Rene Magrit July 21, 2012 at 09:55 pm
Jim Carumpus, you selectively allow people to write and misrepresent themselves and facts here on Patch and it seems you have personal reasons to do so. Should this not be an information agency? It seems some people are using these boards to prove to the rest of the world what they don't really have. Don't make Martinez intellectually or emotionally stupid for the sake of some BS high school status quo, please, Jim. Our lives should not be that either, especially in Martinez. I live and I give here because it is on the "real" end of things. Please, Jim, asking a man who proclaims he's raised 5 children here..
"The Black Panther of Poetry" July 21, 2012 at 10:26 pm
She is right Jim!!! J.B., seems to be a paper tiger when it comes to policing this site. Why? You tell me!!!
Linda Meza July 21, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Becky, I don't believe (I may be wrong) that Tom was responding to Chris but merely making a general observation. I've had that happen to me, when my husband or significant whatever seemed more concerned with keeping his friends happy than tending to our relationship. I once had a boyfriend's father put it to me this way, "if you want to be married to a girl, you gotta stop hanging out with the boys". Gilbert and Glenda were married for over thirty years, until she contracted cancer and succumbed to a heart attack; I know they'd still be married silly squabbles and all if it weren't for that.
Brad Katkowsky July 22, 2012 at 11:54 am
Mein Kauf??
Bob July 22, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Jim C., I applaud your efforts to keep at least this article, if not the entire Patch civil. I think some of the neighboring Patches should follow your lead. Everyone, it's a relationship advice piece. Everyone have an open mind. There might be some points in here which we can all learn from. Other points perhaps not.
I always read articles like this because relationships are continually changing their parameters whether its biological or environmental. I admit I dont know everything so therefore I want to see what I might be missing. I want to make sure my loved one is always happy and I do what I can for her. We all go through challenges and changes, no one can just use one formula forever and expect things to always be fine. For those of you who want to keep things simple then I add my own advice even if I get ridiculed. From my accummulation of knowledge it seems the closest thing to the best single formula for success and to be happy is for both people to always have complete open honest communication and the willingness to always be vulnerable to listen. The rest will follow.
Becky Kapsalis July 22, 2012 at 01:23 pm
@Linda, I didn't think Tom was responding to Chris, I figured he was making a general observation.
"The Black Panther of Poetry" July 22, 2012 at 04:45 pm
It's been a while since I saw the book and I was too lazy to google the correct spelling. Now go play "Gotcha" with someone else!!!
Tom July 23, 2012 at 05:59 pm
In no way was my comment pointed at anyone in particular (on this board or not) this is just a general observation. I have seen this from both genders and I really do not understand it.
Tom July 23, 2012 at 06:00 pm
Thank you Becky, you are quite right. Just a general observation, nothing more.
John Headley July 26, 2012 at 02:13 am
I beg to differ Joe, I think it would be wonderful to date Emily.

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